Regulating AI with Alex Engler
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 7 December 2022
⏱️ 44 minutes
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Summary
Earlier this fall, the Biden administration released what it called a “Blueprint for an AI Bill of Rights,” a policy document that lays out a five-pillar strategy for how the United States intends to wrestle with and regulate the challenges arising from the increasingly common use of artificial intelligence. In recent weeks, the European Union has been wrestling with its own AI regulation challenges and is now on the verge of releasing its own similar strategy.
Lawfare senior editor Scott R. Anderson sat down with Alex Engler, a fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution, who has been closely tracking these policies. They talked about the challenges AI poses to policymakers, the strategy the United States is set to pursue, and how it is both different from and similar to the EU’s approach.
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| 0:29.0 | The default maybe that you have no idea that an algorithm analyzed your resume, |
| 0:40.0 | or that it looked up your past records in order to approve or deny you access to, you know, |
| 0:47.0 | a rental application, right, an example of tenant screening. |
| 0:51.0 | And if you have no idea that that happened, you have no recourse. |
| 0:55.0 | And it turns out that these systems make mistakes all the time. |
| 0:59.0 | They find the wrong record and they say, well, we're not going to approve this person for this rental apartment |
| 1:05.0 | because they have a criminal record and it turns out to be a completely different person. |
| 1:08.0 | If you have no idea that that happened, then you have no way to appeal. |
| 1:13.0 | And you have no way to correct that. |
| 1:16.0 | Even if, you know, there's no really thorough understanding, |
| 1:22.0 | the idea that you're really going to understand the algorithm and what it's doing. |
| 1:25.0 | Maybe for the average person, it's not that likely. |
| 1:28.0 | There is still value in knowing that you're sort of subject to an algorithmic system |
| 1:32.0 | and hopefully some explanation of how it made the decision. |
| 1:35.0 | I'm Scott Ar Anderson. |
| 1:37.0 | And this is the LawFair podcast for December 7, 2022. |
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