This is the Kator Daily Podcast for Monday, October 29, 2018.

I'm Kieva Brown.

What kinds of regressive regulation keep the poor from climbing the economic ladder to secure the necessities

of life.

At a live Cato Daily Podcast recording at Cato Club 200, I spoke with Vanessa Brown Calder

and Ryan Bourne of Cato and Diane Katz of the Heritage Foundation.

Ryan Bourne, you wrote a paper recently that sort of inverts this idea about when we think about what is welfare, what does that mean and trying

to maximize welfare for lower income people, we're almost always told that the focus needs to be on increasing incomes

so that people can access the good parts of life that is you know basic

necessities to live.

And you sort of inverted that.

You talk about what are the regulations

that disproportionately harm low-income people?

What are the policies that we have that disproportionately harm

low-income people, so at even very low levels of income people can have access

to these things and at the same time we're increasing freedom and we're not

harming the public treasury at the same time. So just very broadly if you would walk

us through some of the some of the evidence that you've found regarding this regressive regulation

Well the whole purpose of this panel is to talk about regressive regulation what we mean by that are regulations where the costs are borne disproportionately by poorer households.

And I tend to define that as households in the bottom 20% of the income distribution.

We could define it in other ways.

I'd noticed that over the past year or so,

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