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See in store for T's and C's. Hello everyone and welcome to Talk Nurdy. Today is Monday, June 17th,

2024 and I'm the host of the show Dr. Kara Santa Maria and before we dive into this week's episode,

I want to apologize for the sort of late posting

of this week's episode.

You may actually not be getting this on Monday, June 17th.

It may be Tuesday, June 18th, where you are.

It's been a pretty intense week at work and personally and sometimes I'm late and I'm so so sorry about that

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All right, this week I had the opportunity to speak with the author of a new book called

Frostbite, how refrigeration changed our food, our planet, and ourselves.

Nikola Twilly is the co-author of another book, Until Proven Safe, the History and

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