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LEAVE YOUR MARK: Freshly Brewed Career Advice with Aliza Licht

Reframing Manipulative: Jenny Wood on Turning Taboo Traits Into Superpowers

LEAVE YOUR MARK: Freshly Brewed Career Advice with Aliza Licht

Aliza Licht

Business, Careers

5.0585 Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Most of us were raised to believe being manipulative is a career killer. Jenny Wood says it’s the opposite—if you reframe it. In her New York Times bestseller Wild Courage, the former Google exec argues that being manipulative, bossy, or even reckless can actually fuel your success—when done with empathy, strategy, and courage. In this conversation, Jenny reveals how to self-promote without the cringe, negotiate without apology, and lean into the traits you’ve been taught to suppress to finally get what you want.

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0:00.0

Hi, this is Elisa Likt, and this is Leave Your Mark the podcast, where I brew fresh career advice with some of my most inspiring and successful friends.

0:09.5

It's professional advice that you can action immediately, whether you're just starting out in your career or well on your way.

0:16.4

With a massive to-do list and a large cup of coffee, I promise that you can get it all done and still

0:22.5

have time to post about it.

0:26.2

Welcome back to Leave Your Mark. I'm your host, Elisa Lict, and today I'm joined by Jenny Wood,

0:31.4

former Google executive, career coach, and now bestselling author of Wild Courage. Go after what

0:37.3

you want and get it.

0:39.0

Jenny spent nearly two decades climbing the ranks at Google where she mastered the art of

0:43.2

getting promoted, negotiating like a pro and playing workplace politics in a way that builds,

0:48.6

not breaks relationships. Her new book flips conventional career advice on its head.

0:53.7

Instead of playing it safe or being

0:55.5

told to stay humble, Jenny makes the case that the very traits you've been warned against,

1:00.7

being weird, selfish, shameless, nosy, manipulative, even reckless are the exact qualities that will

1:07.8

fuel your success if you know how to use them wisely. Today we'll dig into why

1:12.7

wild courage is essential right now, how to ask for what you want at work without apology,

1:18.0

and how to reframe so-called negative traits into superpowers that move your career and your life

1:24.0

forward. Jenny, welcome to leave your mark.

1:28.7

Thanks, Elisa.

1:30.5

I'm so pumped to be here.

1:32.8

I am so pumped to have you.

1:37.0

So let's start off with just the courage part of this.

1:40.2

You call your book Wild Courage.

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