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Index 2020. Hi everybody.

welcome to Shift, a podcast about mobility.

I'm Pete Bigelow, your host and reporter at the Automotive News.

Hi everybody, it's Leslie, editor of Shift magazine.

And it's Alexa St John, covering Tekken Suppliers.

Joining us on the podcast today is Matthew Johnson Roberson, co-founder and chief technology

officer at Refraction AI, a delivery company that is testing its autonomous

spots in Ann Arbor. But before we get to Matt, Leslie, Alexa Alexa obviously an action-packed newsweek with with the

cruise news and the Aurora Uber ATG acquisition. Leslie, what was your takeaway from that?

Cruz of course announced that it has started testing driverless vehicles in San Francisco, and the time being I'm going to put

driverless in air quotes but an answer to your question Pete my takeaway is

that this is proof positive that the autonomous vehicle movement still has life in it.

I mean, you might remember that right at the beginning of the pandemic, a lot of these fleets have to be idled because of stay at home orders and things like that.

And now we're seeing these companies come back with a vengeance.

And not only are they coming back, but they are exploring or implementing driverless technology.

Now of course in the case of crews

they're not exactly 100% driverless, right Pete?

That's right. Officially they are moving their human safety

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