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Unexpected Elements

Reforming the 'China Initiative'

Unexpected Elements

BBC

Science

4.4568 Ratings

🗓️ 27 February 2022

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

A scheme in the US designed to prevent industrial espionage and the theft of intellectual property, is to be refocused after it was accused of unfairly targeting Chinese American scientists. We speak to Gang Chen, a professor from MIT who was falsely accused of financial crimes, and Holden Thorp Editor in Chief of the Journal Science who tells us why the ‘China Initiative’ is at odds with the reality of international scientific collaboration.

And a huge study of farmed animals in China, from raccoon dogs to porcupines and Asian badgers, reveals that they carry a wide range of pathogens, including forms of avian flu and coronaviruses. Virologist Eddie Holmes from the University of Sydney, who was involved in the analysis, says these viruses may have the potential to jump species and infect humans – possibly leading to another pandemic.

Controlling fire was a turning point in the development of human civilisation. But how did fire become part of the human toolkit? It’s a question that has got Crowdscience listener Joseph wondering. He wants to know how humans first made fire and how that knowledge spread around the world, eventually developing into our industrial civilisations today.

Archaeologists have many different ideas and theories about this. Did humans learn the skill millions of years ago, and carry it with them as they migrated out of what is now Africa? Or was it a skill developed much later, after different groups had settled in different locations? Did people share the skill with each other or did different groups of people discover it individually?

Marnie Chesterton speaks to experts to try to piece together the archaeological clues to discover what kindled humankind's relationship with fire and flame. She hears about the early evidence of fire from Anand Jagatia, who visits Wonderwerk Cave in South Africa, and she speaks to an archaeologist who has found remains of burned flint suggesting campfire locations dating back hundreds of thousands of years in Israel. Marnie also tries her hand at making fire, Neanderthal style.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

In 2019, we began investigating the disappearance of Dr. Ruzha Ignatva.

0:08.0

I believe we are a very special network.

0:10.0

A scammer who stole billions from investors around the world.

0:15.0

She's on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list.

0:18.0

And now, we have some unmissable updates. She has money and when you have

0:23.0

money you have power. Join me, Jamie Bartlett, as the hunt for the missing crypto queen continues.

0:29.5

Listen first on BBC Sounds. Thank you for downloading the side tower from the BBC World Service

0:35.1

with me, Roland Pease. It all started our smartphones and laptops, our tools, our infrastructure, our mechanical world, our technology.

0:44.4

It all started a million years or so ago with fire.

0:48.4

But first that had to be controlled.

0:50.4

I want to watch your hands.

0:55.3

Oh, wow.

0:58.0

You got flames faster than I did?

0:59.8

I'm in fire.

1:01.8

Easy, peasy.

1:04.3

Yeah, it's going.

1:06.4

A million years of harnessing heat explored on crowd science later in the podcast. Before that,

1:12.0

on science and action, we have new evidence of the scale of the threat of further pandemics

1:17.3

from a survey of wild animals farmed in China. The wildlife trade that fuels these live animal

1:24.3

markets, it's a pandemic accident when it happens. These animals contain lots and

1:29.0

lots of viruses. And some of these viruses are exactly the thought of ones that you would worry about

1:34.6

that you think could jump and cause a disease. And China dominates the other item we're digging into

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