Welcome to Mortification of Spin, a casual conversation about things that count with Carl Truman and Todd Pruitt, a podcast of the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals.

Let's join this week's conversation.

Thank you. You are listening to Mortification of Spin. My name is Todd Pruitt. I'm the pastor at Covenant Presbyterian Church in Harrisonburg, Virginia. And I'm joined as always by my friend Carl Truman, who is professor at Grove City College in Western Pennsylvania. Now, Carl, before we introduce our guest, who is a returning guest, but we love our returning guests

because they are true friends.

And true fools.

It has to be said.

Friends are fools.

They are risky.

They risk their reputation to be publicly identified with us.

And so for that reason, we hold in high regard our returning guests. But before we

introduce him, Carl, you were on campus at the institution where this brother serves as a

professor, my alma mater. And how did you find the Baptists in the Midwest? Were they an accommodating

audience for you? Were they hostile in any way? Did they search you for any, you know, for a

flask or anything like that? No, it was very, I had a lovely day at Midwestern a few weeks ago. Of course, one of their

big hires recently is an old friend Tommy Kit. Many listeners will know that Tommy was at

Baylor for some years and is one of the, I think one of the most outstanding historians of the kind of colonial war of independence

or war of colonial rebellion, as I used to call it, before became a citizen, that 18th century period.

Now working on a book on the Second Great Awakening.

So it was fun to reconnect with Tommy. And I have to say,

I got the impression the academic standards have increased massively since you graduated Todd.

Well, yeah, there's no doubt about it. I'm not sure that you would get a degree these days.

Well, well, see, definitely improved. From what I understand is that when I was a student there in the early 90s, you could do most of your work with crayons.

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