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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Oscar Gersen, and I'm joined today by Tim Shipman and James Heel, who are fresh from

Reform Conference in Birmingham over the weekend. First off, how was it?

Well, I mean, I think there's a lot of people

have written think pieces about how this is the most interesting conference they've been to

for quite some time, and I think that's probably fair enough. I mean, the mood was very

optimistic. It was more of a rally than a conference. There were a lot of very optimistic people

and an interesting crowd. It was light on the sort of

corporates that you normally get when someone is on course to form a government, but I think

people are still getting used to the idea that they might, and I suspect we'll see more of that

next year if they remain on this kind of upward trajectory or 10 points ahead in the polls.

I think it was fascinating for the geeks.

You know, it tells us quite a lot about who they are and what they're about.

Farage obviously made a pretty rumbustious speech that had some red meat in it,

but was also a rallying cry, an attempt to kick the government while it was down.

But, you know, on the one hand,

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