and we are all going to have to figure out how to live together on less land, even if we do all the right things.

And we either become more monstrous, more eugenicist, more fascist, or we radically change our values, right?

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Welcome to the Deaf Panel.

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Jules Gil Peterson. Hi, everyone. And the two of us are here with author and journalist Naomi

Klein. Naomi is the author of the books, No Logo, Fences and Windows,

The Shock Doctrine, This Changes Everything, No is Not Enough, The Battle for Paradise, and On Fire.

And she's here today to talk about her latest book, which is out this week called Doppelganger,

A Trip Into the Mirror World. Naomi, welcome to the death panel. It's really great to get a chance to talk to you

for the show. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to speak with you. So I'm sure you get this all

of the time, but your work was very formative for me in terms of really shifting my politics in my

early teens. I actually stole your first book, No Logo from my first job. I tossed it out the window into the

dumpster behind the big soulless bookstore I worked at and then went around back during my break

to scoop it up. I think it was maybe 2005. I started reading it at work. I really wanted it.

I lived in Florida and I had this really long commute and gas was so expensive and my whole paycheck

went towards like this pool of gas money that we would all put together to get back and forth

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