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Workday, moving business forever forward. This is Monica Perez here with finally returning guest Daniel Natal.

We had a great conversation in our first meetup here.

And I immediately asked him back on and he, I don't know, stopped doing shows. So when you, Daniel,

told me that you had read Meditations as an audiobook and that was the book we were doing,

I hoped that you would come chat and you said yes. So I'm super excited to see you. It's always

fun. How have you been? Oh, I've been doing very, very well.

As you just suggested, I've been working on my desktop publishing business, doing

audio books and stuff and physical books as well.

But yeah, I was listening to your reading of meditations and I was so impressed.

And I think I mentioned in the comments, I was like, you know, like

oratory and declaiming and stuff like that. These are arts that have kind of gone by the wayside.

And I was just like, wow, she reads so well just spontaneously off the cuff. Yeah, I do not. So I do

like editing. Thank you for suggesting that. And if you, if you need a favor and you want a book read,

I would do it for you, say, as a favor. Awesome. But it's hard for me to do it without

interjecting chatter. So at first I did it because I thought, well, maybe it won't seem like a copyright

violation if I'm talking about it and not just reading it, but that's ridiculous. That would never work.

But then we started to kind of develop a little rapport here in the chat and it became super fun. And it keeps you awake when you're like, it's hard to read. I fall asleep when I read. So this was a way also to get me to read. So thank you for your...

I've got to lock myself in the bathtub. I used to work for a publishing house out in California. And I had to read lots of bad manuscripts. And so I would have to sit in the tub so that I couldn't escape the manuscript.

Yeah. And like, you can't sink. That's a great idea because I went to law school and actually worked as an intern one summer. And it really doesn't get. I mean, I would fall asleep on my desk, which looks very unprofessional. But I just couldn't understand how everyone wasn't falling asleep on their desk. They did have like free drinks nightly, so that could have been

the problem. Wow. It's going to say this is the solution coffee, but you meant the kind of drink.

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