Reflections on 'Beyond Growth' | Frankly #31
The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens
Nate Hagens
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🗓️ 19 May 2023
⏱️ 10 minutes
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Summary
On this Frankly, Nate reflects on the Beyond Growth Conference held at the European Parliament, including the stunning public acknowledgement by EU President that a growth model based on fossil fuels is now obsolete. In the context of this growing and relevant conversation, Nate unpacks what the degrowth movement is getting right, but also what is missing from the conversation. Is it possible to purposely navigate from our current system to one with lower energy and material wealth? How does a large and growing global debt overhang impact this possibility? Is a transfer of wealth between nations feasible or even desirable based on realistic outcomes? In any case, as to the inevitability of a post-growth world, the degrowth conversation needs to be expanded. It's the primary movement mapping out what a desirable destination might look like as we move through a Great Simplification.
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| 0:00.0 | Greetings. In between watching presentations at the Beyond Growth Conference today, |
| 0:09.0 | I went out with my dogs in the woods and I found Morcella mushrooms, finally. |
| 0:16.0 | So it was a good day. Back to the degrowth presentation, kicked off by no other than the president of the European |
| 0:26.1 | Commission, and she had this to say. |
| 0:29.0 | I want today to concentrate on one point. |
| 0:33.9 | And that is a point that the report got right beyond any doubt. |
| 0:40.2 | And that is the clear message that a growth model centered on fossil fuels is simply obsolete. |
| 1:01.9 | I wouldn't have believed that the head of the EU Commission would have said this five years ago, even three years ago. COVID in the Ukraine war has allowed some partial |
| 1:08.4 | story of our truth to be able to be politically spoken. |
| 1:13.6 | Of course, notice she did not say that growth is obsolete, |
| 1:17.6 | but that growth and fossil fuels are obsolete. |
| 1:21.6 | So I wanted to have a few reflections on degrowth and beyond growth. At least eight of my former podcast guests were in that |
| 1:33.0 | room. Van Danna Shiva, George O'Skales, Timote Parique, Olivia Lazzard, Simon Mischo. Kate |
| 1:41.4 | Rayworth is soon going to be on the show. This is my tribe. |
| 1:44.9 | These are the humans that I relate to. |
| 1:49.0 | And I have a lot in common with them. |
| 1:51.5 | I do not consider myself a degrowther because I think there are some fundamental flaws in the logic of how they look at financial and energy systems. |
| 2:01.6 | But that doesn't mean that I don't relate to them and they are caring about a better future, |
| 2:08.6 | more equality, environmental protection, well-being of citizens instead of outsourcing our |
| 2:14.6 | decision-makings to the market and de facto destroying the planet. |
| 2:21.4 | So when we approach these issues, there are three things. |
| 2:25.1 | One, we have to care and understand. |
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