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review. This all helps so much, and we're so grateful, thank you. In light of wildfire season,

starting again here in California, where I'm speaking from. I wanted to reshare this conversation with Stephen

Pine, who has written fire ecologies for America, Australia, Canada, and Europe, including Russia.

Together, we explore what the pyro scene is and a brief history of fire ecology in the Americas,

why we need to tell a new narrative around fire, how colonial

conservation disrupted the regenerative cultural burning practices of Native Americans, and more.

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