Hey everyone. For this holiday New Year episode, we decided to re-up an old episode that's one of our favorites.

In this episode, Bernie Stafford, Bianca Marquez, has a conversation with her father who

immigrated from Venezuela about the term

socialism, whether we should use it and whether it does more harm than good. I

thought this was a fitting follow-up episode to our episode about Nathan

Robinson's new book, Why You Should Be a Socialist.

So I hope you listen to them both and let us know what you think.

I hope you enjoy.

So hello father.

Hello, donor.

Okay. So what do you think about the term socialism?

Last week I indulged in a little experiment. I asked staff members to cold call their parents and ask them for their thoughts about socialism.

So if you say I want, I think Democratic socialism to me means that everybody should have a right to a clean environment or a right to an education or a right to health insurance.

I don't have a problem with thinking in terms of those rights, but that I'm afraid is just one side of the economic problem.

The other part of the economic problem is who's going to provide that?

That was Jaime Marquez, father of Bianca Marquez, state email manager for the campaign.

Now, Mr. Marquez and Bianca have had this conversation before,

and apparently it's gotten animated.

Do you know that we find? Yes, I think. it's gotten animated.

You know that we fight?

Yes, I've heard.

At home.

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