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Guaranteed Human.

Hi, I'm Carrie Hartman, producer of season two of burden of guilt.

Today, associate producer Jade Abdulmalik and I are very excited to talk with Nancy Glass.

As you know, she's the host and executive producer of our series.

But this show was a team effort.

Jade, Nancy, and I have been producing this show together for almost a year. For us, this story raised

a lot of questions about forgiveness in our own lives. So we got together as a team to talk about it.

So Nancy, you had real apprehension.

I mean, we were in the office and you were concerned about meeting Bobby Gumpright

and him walking into our studios, knowing the story, having read all about the story

and what happened in court, what he did to Germain.

And you've literally interviewed, I would say, some of the most heinous criminals in recent

memory. I can think of one in particular.

Jeffrey Dahmer.

Jeffrey Dahmer. Bobby, for sure, did something that many would deem unforgivable,

but he didn't kill anybody.

What about him coming in to the studio made you feel uncomfortable?

Well, you know, it's kind of a mixed bag.

I mean, we're all attracted to a really good story, but we feel responsibility to these people who give us their story.

And, you know, when you read what happened to Germain, your heart is so broken that I was afraid to meet Bobby.

I thought, oh, what's this guy going to be like?

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