Welcome back to this bite-sized episode. Now, it can be so easy to put so-called successful people on a pedestal, but the truth is many of them are driven by a sense of disquiet and fear. Now, that's not to cast judgment. It's just a fact, and it's something that Adrian Charles has recognised too. The former daybreak and one show presenter hosts a radio show on Five Live where he interviews a lot of sporting

high performers. We've interviewed many of the same guests. And that's certainly a phenomenon that

he's noticed too. So don't buy into the hype that successful people are special because they're not.

And being successful is not the grand recipe for happiness that so many people think it is.

Flow, on the other hand, when we lose our sense of self as we get absorbed in an activity

that's enjoyable for its own sake is inherently satisfying, which speaks volumes when you

really explore why, as I've done elsewhere on this podcast and in my book.

What I crave is absolute absorption, just to be absorbed. It's peace. And it's weird that

things I've found. I mean, riding a motorbike is one. And I remember the first long trip

I did. I never did long trip. It used you for riding around London and stuff.

But then the first long road trip I did, I thought, God, be boring.

It was just like four hours down the M4 from London to Swansea.

I thought, God, this will be a bore.

But then suddenly it was just absolutely serene.

It was incredible.

And I thought, I can't, what's that all about?

It's kind of almost like hypnosis.

It's sort of absorption.

You can't take phone calls.

It's just you and the road and the bike and you just, you know, time passes.

And, you know, it's finding states like that.

I mean, the other one, there's some weird ones, like stacking logs. I mean, I could be a freelance, free log stacker, for anybody who's

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