talking about the sort of conspiratorial thinking in our society and like the anti-vaccine

stuff. We've always had a resurgence of that and it's sort of unlike some other conspiracy

theories, vaccines are one of the one of the conspiracy theories that go across the political

spectrum for different reasons. On the left, I think you do have this sense of like suspicion

of corporations and big farm, which can lead to left wing versions of vaccine conspiracy theories.

And you have some like center, center right, center left conspiracy thinking about like Bill Gates

and the global elite and the Illuminati and being microchipped. And then you just have on the

on the far right just a disdain of any expertise anti-scientific thinking, anti-intellectualism,

anti all of that stuff, which feeds into it from that end. Like I even today on Instagram,

I saw Immortal Technique post something where he's suspicious of these vaccines or whatever,

you know, whatever you think about Immortal Technique, the fact is he's on the left and giving credence

to these things. On the other hand, we can't totally dismiss this stuff either. It's not like every

single vaccine has been 100% safe and particularly when it's rushed so quickly, it's really just

honestly hard to say. In Pakistan, we were talking about this on gorilla history. In Pakistan,

it came out that a few years ago when they were searching for Osama bin Laden, one of the things

the CIA did was set up, I think it was a fake polio vaccination thing, right? And what they're

really doing was extracting genetic data from the people hoping to find a close relative of bin Laden

to then follow and see if they can get them, right? And when this story came out, not only did it

did it provide a lot of energy to the insurgency and you know, counter American forces or even Islamic

extremist forces, it made the regular everyday people suspicious of vaccines and there's cases

throughout history where this has been the case. And so it's not like these things come with

absolutely no risks, right? We don't want to fall into the the the error of saying, you know,

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