Welcome back to the Dispatch Podcast. I'm your host Sarah Isger joined by Jonah Goldberg and Kevin

Williamson. We're going to do some state of the race on the GOP side, little Fox News, what it says

about journalism, what it doesn't say about journalism, and some lably, and our never-ending efforts

to curb misinformation. And what happens when they run into... Oh, you wait, it wasn't misinformation.

Let's dive right in. So, Jonah, I wrote the sweep this week on this bet that two of my friends

made on Twitter. Jeb Bush endorsed Ron DeSantis, and one friend thought that was a terrible move.

The Ron DeSantis is not a good civil libertarian. He's not a real conservative, etc.

And the other friend said, none of that really matters because no matter how bad Ron DeSantis is,

he's not as bad as Trump. And at this point, in the GOP primary, it's a binary choice. And so any

endorsement of Ron DeSantis is de facto actually just an anti-Trump endorsement. The one guy said,

I'll bet that neither Trump nor Ron DeSantis gets the nomination. The other guy said, how about a

hundred bucks? Who's going to win that bet, Jonah? But also, are they right? So, I'm on record

going quite a while back on this very podcast, saying I favor the field over Donald Trump and

Ron DeSantis. And so, I think I have to say that the guy says neither of them will be the nominee

is right because it's actually conforming to my pre-existing position. But I think you're

going to go a different way with this Jeb thing, where I think the interesting question is,

does a Jeb Bush endorsement hurt or help DeSantis? And I've seen people argue it both ways.

And you can make the case, look, this proves that DeSantis is really a closet establishment guy.

And I think there's a case to be made for that. Do you know what I didn't ask that question?

Because I don't think endorsements make any difference at this. I think that's right. I think that's

right. But also, I think it misrepresents the history of Donald Trump because lots of establishment

people endorse Donald Trump. So, like this transitive property thing that it makes you a rhino squish,

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