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Hi, I'm Cara Swisher, Editor at Large of Recode.

You may know me as the creator of the only exercise program you can do in your web browser, tabs of steel, but in my spare time I talk tech, and you're listening to Recode Decode from the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Today in the red chair is Mindy Grossman, the CEO of WW International. No, that's not wrestling.

You might know it by its old name, Weight Watchers.

I wanted to have her on in the podcast because the company is in the middle of some really interesting trends around health and wellness, and sort of the transformation tech brings.

And I've known Mindy for a while when she used to be at HSN and some other things. Mindy, welcome to Recode Decode.

Thank you, great to be here.

Last we talked you were at HSN. Let's give people your background because you've been around the block.

I don't mean so, I've been around the blocks of blocks. Let's give people where you come from.

So I spent almost 40 years between retail, fashion, sport, digital, work for Tommy Hilfiger, work for Lauren for 10 years, Nike for six years running their global apparel business, and then, no person.

And then, transitioned, worked for Barry Diller for two years at IAC running IAC retail.

And then in 2008, took the company public as HSN Inc, which ran HSN television and digital shopping as well as an entire catalog portfolio.

So all direct to consumer. Talk about that experience of going from one to the other because you were in traditional retail.

A lot of people are, there's a lot of executives in traditional retail that didn't make that leap essentially.

You know, it's interesting. I was really never in the traditional retail side. I was always on the brand side into retail and then at HSN I, again, all indirect retail.

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