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Hi, I'm Cara Swisher, Editor at Large of Recode. You may know me as the new host of The Apprentice. I forgot what happened to the old guy, but in my spare time I talked tech in your listening to recode decode from the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Today in the red chair is Ellen Schell, a correspondent for Atlantic Monthly. Her latest book is all about one of my favorite topics, the future of work. It's called the job work and its future in a time of radical change.

Ellen, welcome to recode decode. It's great to be here. Thank you. I was so excited to talk about this, but first I want to go into your history because you've written a couple of books that really rivet and fascinate me.

Talk a little bit about how you got to this because you were a science writer. Is that right? Is that incorrect? Are you written about lots of different topics?

I've written my background, technically way, way back when, isn't science and biology and I've written a lot on science.

But I try to bring the kind of rigor that we bring to covering science into other areas. And in recent, at least the last decade, I've been focused on issues of economics, which I think are very, very compelling, especially now.

Right. Exactly. So talk about your background. Go through. I like to prove people come from, because I think our readers like to know how they made it to where they got.

Oh, well, going way back when, as I said, I was trained in biology. Always had a great interest in public communications. Also in film, I started off as a film critic.

Not many people know that. Very, very long go. Seattle.

Seattle times. And then moved on to longer form. And as you mentioned, I had a long affiliation with the Atlantic, a magazine in Boston.

And now my professor at Boston University have been for quite some time. I direct the graduate program in science journalism. And as well.

I do. Now and again. Right. Yes. So what is the professor of science journalism do now? Just in the journalism department is people who are getting into that as a career.

Well, my students are all graduate students and they have most of them that have at least an undergraduate degree in a science. And they're interested in talking to the general public about issues in science.

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