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Hi, I'm Cara Swisher, Editor at Large of ReCode. You may know me as someone who only likes guns when Sarah Connor is wielding them, but in my spare time I talk tech, and you're listening to ReCode Decode from the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Today in the red chair is Rick Smith, the founder and CEO of AXON, the company formerly known as Taser International.

In addition to Taser, AXON is best known for the body cameras it makes for police officers, and in July it said it would not embed facial recognition technology in those cameras because of concerns over its accuracy.

Rick is also the author of a book about gun control called The End of Killing. How our newest technologies can solve humanity's oldest problem.

I'm very much looking forward to this interview. Rick, welcome to ReCode Decode.

Awesome, thanks.

Let's have a little bit of background about the company about AXON. Everyone knows what a Taser is, and Taser has been deployed in different ways, but explain to me how you started the company and how it's gone to doing body cameras, and I want to sort of break down how much of how big a business it is and where you're deployed.

Yeah, so in the early 1990s I was living in Europe, I was in graduate school, and two of my high school friends had been recently shot and killed by a businessman with a gun in the glove box, and it was a situation that just started as an argument and spun out of control, and three lives were ruined that day.

My two friends are dead, and the guy who killed them is spending his life in prison. I've never met him, but from everything I know, he didn't set out to kill anybody that day.

He just had a gun and defend himself and gotten a bad situation. So the light bulb that went on for me is obviously guns are a very divisive issue in this country, but for me it seems really strange.

Why are we still using these medieval weapons that should literally balls of flying metal at people?

I came to conclude, I think the way out of this is the way we get out of most real problems that we invent our way out.

And so I started doing some research and discovery.

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