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Recode Decode: Michael Pollan

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Business, Technology

4.23.4K Ratings

🗓️ 16 May 2018

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Journalist and author Michael Pollan talks with Recode’s Kara Swisher about his new book, “How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence.” Pollan, perhaps best known for his books about food, like “The Omnivore’s Dilemma,” says the new book traces his learning process as he tried to understand why almost every human society has experimented with mind-altering substances. Silicon Valley is certainly no exception: Pollan says that tech pioneer Ampex was ground zero of the tech scene’s experimentation with LSD, starting in the 1950s; engineers discovered that dropping acid helped them design the first computer chips, and shared this finding with Doug Engelbart, who would go to invent the mouse, the graphical user interface and key components of the internet. Pollan also talks about the broader medical, political and social implications of using psychedelics, and how they might one day become legal and more socially acceptable in America. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Today's show is brought to you by IBM.

0:03.2

Technology today has never been smarter,

0:05.5

but smart only matters when you put it to good use.

0:08.2

Together we can build a smarter future for all of us.

0:11.3

Let's put smart to work.

0:12.8

Find out how at IBM.com slash smart.

0:19.9

Hi, I'm Cara Swisher, Executive Editor of Reco.

0:22.2

You may know me as the only person in Dolores Park

0:24.5

eating completely gluten-rich chocolate chip cookies,

0:27.2

but in my spare time I talk tech

0:28.8

and you're listening to Reco Decode

0:30.3

from the Vox Media Podcast Network.

0:32.6

Today in the red chair is one of my favorite journalists,

0:34.7

Michael Pollan, and he's the best-selling author

0:36.6

of several books, most famously the Omnivores dilemma.

0:39.9

He's written a new book called How to Change Your Mind.

0:42.3

What the new science of psychedelics

0:44.0

teaches us about consciousness,

0:45.5

dying, addiction, depression, and transcendence.

0:48.1

That is quite a headline.

0:49.4

Michael, welcome to Reco Decode.

0:50.9

Thank you.

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