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Hi, I'm Karras Swisher, Editor-at-large of Recode.

You may know me as someone who's both intelligent and artificial, but in my spare time I talk tech, and you're listening to Recode decode from the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Today in the red chairs, our Kate Crawford and Meredith Whitaker, the co-founders of the AI Now Institute, is a research institute at New York University that studies the social implications of artificial intelligence.

Even if you don't realize it, Whitaker said AI is already having effect on our day-to-day lives.

You know, there are license plate profiling AI that is sort of tracking people as they go over different bridges in New York.

You have systems that are determining which school your child gets enrolled in.

You have automatic essay scoring systems that are determining whether it's written well enough, like, you know, whose version of written English is that.

Crawford said one of the challenges facing AI is the prevalence of what she calls dirty data, like the kind that was being used to inform a predictive policing initiative.

So we ended up looking at 13 jurisdictions across the US that were specifically under legal orders because of biased or illegal or unconstitutional policing.

The data that was being created by things like planting evidence or racially biased policing was being piped into predictive policing systems.

We found multiple cases, Chicago being one of the most obvious.

We also talked about AI in China, diversity in computer science, and why Elon Musk is wrong about AI's danger.

Sorry, Elon, we recorded this interview in front of a live audience at the studio theater in Washington, D.C.

So let's go there now to hear my interview with the founders of the AI Now Institute, Kate Crawford, and Meredith Whitaker.

We're having a competitive leather coat situation here.

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