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Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

4.33.2K Ratings

🗓️ 8 July 2019

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

Carole Cadwalladr, a reporter for the Guardian and Observer, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her investigations into the Cambridge Analytica scandal and the links between tech and political disinformation campaigns. In this episode: Cadwalladr's background; tech's impact on democracy; the "cancer" of the far-right internet; Google's lack of accountability; Cambridge Analytica and its co-founder Robert Mercer; talking to whistleblower Christopher Wylie; the links among Brexit, Donald Trump, and Russia; the danger of challenging an ideological billionaire like Mercer; how Facebook shot itself in the foot; at Facebook, "who knew what, when?"; Cadwalladr's viral TED Talk about social media and disinformation; "techno-fascism" and you; why the US press must push Facebook harder; what Cadwalladr would do if she were in charge; and is she still optimistic about tech? Recode Decode has been nominated for best technology podcast in this year’s People’s Choice Podcast Awards! Cast your vote for Recode Decode at https://www.podcastawards.com/app/signup before July 31st. One vote per category. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:00.0

Hi, I'm Cara Swisher, Editor at Large of Recode. You may know me as the self-appointed Chief Justice of Facebook's new Supreme Court, but in my spare time I talk tech and you're listening to Recode Decode from the VOX Media Podcast Network.

1:13.0

Today in the red chair is someone I'm very excited to have here, Carol Cadwalator, the reporter and writer for the Guardian, the observer who really blew the lid off Facebook's Cambridge Analytica scandal last year.

1:24.0

Earlier this year, she also gave an amazing TED talk about Silicon Valley and fake news, and she says that she is recently been sued by one of the bad boys of Brexit.

1:32.0

We'll talk about that and more. Carol, welcome to Recode Decode.

1:36.0

Hello, thank you so much for inviting me to her.

1:39.0

We are in London, England.

1:42.0

We are doing this. I had to come all the way here to get you on my podcast. I'm actually here for a few days and doing some different podcasts with people here.

1:50.0

And also one of my pivot episodes, but I really wanted to talk to you. You're the one person I really want to talk to.

1:55.0

Where should we start? I don't quite know where to start. I mean, why don't we talk about your background? Let's talk about how you got to where you got and why you started writing about Facebook.

2:03.0

And then we'll get into Cambridge Analytica and where it's going in your TED talk, which was this worldwide sensation, I think.

2:09.0

Good stuff we've been talking about in Silicon Valley a long time, but it really set off a lot of talking.

2:14.0

And I want to talk about your time here, because as I understand it, people are trying to say your conspiracy theory is, and as it turns out, your conspiracies are through.

2:23.0

So you're not theorists in many ways. But let's start with that. We talk about how you got to where you got and why you started writing about tech.

2:29.0

So I actually started writing about tech a long time ago. I always, you know, I, you know, a year ago, I used to say, well, I was just a feature writer and I stumbled across this story.

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