Recode Decode: David Kaye

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Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

4.3 • 3.2K Ratings

🗓️ 14 February 2020

⏱️ 56 minutes

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David Kaye, the special rapporteur for freedom of opinion and expression at the United Nations, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the hacking of Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos' phone by the Saudi Arabian government; why it’s easier than ever for governments to suppress information spread by journalists and dissidents; and the inherent danger of internet companies and governments collecting massive amounts of data about us. He also talks about how the UN responded to the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi in 2018 and why "repression of the mind” can lead to massive human rights abuses like the Holocaust. Click here to read a full transcript of this interview. Featuring: David Kaye (@davidakaye), UN Special Rapporteur on freedom of opinion & expression and author of Speech Police: The Global Struggle to Govern the Internet Host: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-large More to explore: On Reset, Arielle Duhaime-Ross explores why — and how — tech is changing everything. On Recode Media, Peter Kafka interviews business titans, journalists, comedians and podcasters about the collision of tech and media. On Pivot, Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway talk about the big tech news stories of the week, who's winning, who's failing, and what comes next. And on Land of the Giants, Jason Del Rey chronicled the rise of Amazon. Season 2 will focus on Netflix and is coming soon! About Recode by Vox: Recode by Vox helps you understand how tech is changing the world — and changing us. Follow Us: Newsletter: Recode Daily Twitter: @Recode and @voxdotcom Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	I'm Gideon Litchfield, I'm the editor-in-chief of Oired.
0:02.6	And I'm Lauren Good, I'm a senior writer at Wired.
0:05.2	We're making a new show.
0:06.5	Have a nice future.
0:09.0	I'm more have a nice future, question mark.
0:12.5	It's a show that is honest about how unsettling the future can be.
0:16.9	We're going to be bringing on the people shaping this future.
0:20.6	We're going to ask them about the big challenges we face, about the challenges they're creating,
0:24.9	and how they deal with living in perpetual uncertainty as we all do.
0:29.2	So make sure you follow Have a Nice Future, wherever you get your podcasts.
0:35.9	Hi, I'm Karris Wisher, editor at Large of Recode.
0:38.5	You may know me as someone who's thinking maybe I should stop clicking on all the links
0:42.7	that Mohammed bin Salman has been texting me, but in my spare time I'm just a reporter
0:46.8	and you're listening to Recode decode a podcast about power change.
0:49.7	And the people you need to know around tech and beyond were part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
0:54.7	Today in the red chair is David K, a clinical professor of law
0:58.0	at the University of California at Irvine.
1:00.2	He's also the United Nations special reporter on freedom of opinion and expression.
1:06.1	And last year he wrote a very important book called Speech Police, The Global Struggle to Govern.
1:10.1	The internet, David, welcome to Recode decode.
1:12.6	Cara, thanks for having me.
1:13.5	I have wanted to talk to you about this for a long time.
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