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🗓️ 8 September 2025
⏱️ 47 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | You are listening to an art media podcast. |
| 0:09.2 | You know what Israel is, Dan? |
| 0:10.7 | Okay, I'm going to say something shocking and wild. |
| 0:13.0 | It's a country. |
| 0:14.3 | It's a country. |
| 0:16.1 | It was founded like so many other countries in the mid-20th century. |
| 0:20.5 | Countries founded in war, partition, |
| 0:23.2 | in ways that were problematic in many ways. I'm not saying this is wonderful and great, but I think |
| 0:27.9 | what struck me is that so often I think we educate our young people to think that Israel is |
| 0:32.1 | exceptional. It's unlike any other nation, but it's actually completely unexceptional in its |
| 0:37.0 | founding. And I think we |
| 0:38.0 | have done a huge disservice to our young people when we have failed to educate them about how |
| 0:42.6 | Israel is a country. And we have failed to normalize Israel for our young people. We have failed to say, |
| 0:47.7 | like, here's a bunch of really unpleasant facts about how Israel was founded. And also, those same |
| 0:53.0 | facts apply to these other many, many countries. |
| 0:55.3 | Let's go through those as well. And I think our tendency to exceptionalize Israel because we want our |
| 0:59.8 | young people to fall in love with it, it really sets them up for failure once they hit college |
| 1:04.7 | and they hear their first bad fact and they're like stunned. |
| 1:19.6 | Yeah. they're like stunned. It's 4 p.m. on Sunday, September 7th here in New York City. It's 11 p.m. on Sunday, September |
| 1:25.2 | 7th in Israel, as Israelis have begun a new week. |
| 1:29.3 | According to reports today, the U.S. has issued a new ceasefire proposal that would see all |
| 1:35.0 | 48 hostages released on the first day of the implementation of the deal alongside the release of |
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