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I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution Coach, here with David Barton, America's premier historian and Tim Barton, national pastor and president of wallbuilders.

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later in the program. Actually, we're kind of, I started to say leapfrogging. That is not the right

word. Springboarding. That's what a leapfrog. Did you ever playapfrog as a kid? That's not what I'm looking for here. Springboarding off of a show we did a few weeks ago. We've been talking about just the crazy amount of land. The feds still own and control in most of these Western states. And I think, David, you had a good, it was maybe a good news Friday where we were talking about and you were pointing that out. And Kim's been in that fight for a long time. So Tim's going to get a chance to visit with him about that. But man,

can you imagine if the feds just gave up even half of the land they control right now in these

Western states? Man, if they gave up half the land they control, we could have another 13 or 14

states in the United States just out of what they could do. I think, Rick, you mentioned, we talked about this a week or two ago, but I think it's

87% of Nevada is owned by the federal government, something like 65 or 67% of Utah.

I mean, they own half the land, apparently, west of the Mississippi River.

So think what you could get, and think what the states could get as far as taxes,

if they were able to get property taxes off that, which many states have,

and the feds didn't take all that income for themselves.

You can start weaning the federal government down as well as increase the strength

of state governments, which would be a help.

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