From the ACLU, this is at Liberty.

I'm Kendall Seasmeyer, your host.

Housing is the bedrock of American society, and one of the major determinants for life outcomes like health, income, and educational opportunity.

Because of its importance, housing has long been the site of discriminatory policies

aimed at marginalizing black and brown people in America, be it through zoning, redlining,

crime-free housing ordinances, racial steering, and more.

The Fair Housing Act of 1968 aimed to address this history in outlaw discrimination,

but vague guidelines and weak enforcement mechanisms left a lot unaddressed.

This January, the Biden administration reinstated the affirmatively

furthering fair housing rule, which adds federal heft to the Fair Housing Act, and mandates that

localities submit plans for actively addressing segregation, and proposes that cities and states that

fail to meaningfully work towards their stated goal could face a loss of funding.

Throughout her career in civil rights law, ACLU's president Deborah Archer has studied housing discrimination and infrastructure.

She's the associate dean and co-director of clinical and advocacy programs, a professor of

clinical law, and a co-faculty director of the Center on Race, Inequality, and the Law, all at the

NYU School of Law. And we're so excited to have her here today to give us a primer on housing

discrimination and explain

why it's a part of the ACLU's push for equitable systems across so many facets of society.

President Archer, Deborah, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you for having me.

So I want to start with a really basic question, because housing

is not an issue that we've talked about extensively on the podcast or that we cover extensively

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