Yo, it's time for the under center podcast here on NBC Sports Chicago.

You see our Beards B reporter Alex Shapiro right there.

Tony Gill is running the pod.

Kenneth Davidson, of course,

we've got to talk hard knocks. And we also got to talk about various training camp, because

there's some stuff that's like, hmm, going on. But let's start off with hard knocks since that's what's

trending. Alex, it's funny just talking to Tony and watching the show. I think we should start with the thing we're just talking about. And now is, of course, you have the situation where Caleb got the call on draft day. And it opens up with perhaps the biggest reason why I think Hardnucks may have been here in general. What the real reason is all the media cachet that Caleb Williams has brought from USC and everything he's done here to Chicago

and just all the hoopla. And it starts off right there. But then the thing that sticks out,

of course, the good old fashioned 90s, late 80s, Bulls intro music, but also the excerpts. So

anybody that hasn't watched Hard Knocks, they have different people.

Sounds like media personalities within the city and outside of the city,

talking about what you can expect from Caleb.

And someone mentioned that Caleb can be bigger than Michael Jordan,

and that plays into the part of the Bulls intro.

And that started to spark the discussion with us.

And you had something to say, what was that, Alex?

I think within the city, not worldwide, because Michael Jordan worldwide was, I mean, something else.

Now, shoot it. Shoot it how you shot it.

Shoot it how you shot it.

Within the city of Chicago, if everything goes right with Caleb Williams.

Yeah.

And he is the, he reaches the maximum potential of what everybody thinks he could be.

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