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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Rebecca Traister on #MeToo, female rage, and Anita Hill’s legacy

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2017

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

We’re living through an upheaval. The #MeToo moment has engulfed some of the most powerful men in politics, entertainment, and media. It has also forced a national reckoning with the reality of America’s sexual and workplace cultures — how often they permitted harassment and assault to flourish, how routinely they protected perpetrators and blamed victims. But why is it happening now? And will it continue or be swept away in backlash? Rebecca Traister is a writer-at-large at New York magazine, as well as the author of Big Girls Don't Cry: The Election that Changed Everything for American Women. And she’s one of the most essential writers to read on the intersection of gender and politics. In this conversation, Traister traces this moment back to Anita Hill’s testimony against Clarence Thomas — a “turning point” that changed American politics. We talk about Bill Clinton’s complex legacy, and Traister’s view that there would be no #MeToo moment without Trump. We talk about why the Weinstein allegations were able to set off such a chain reaction — and also how this is a more fragile movement than many realize, and the various ways in which Traister fears it could collapse. Books: Strange Justice: The Selling of Clarence Thomas by Jill Abramson and Jane Meyer Eloquent Rage: A Black Feminist Discovers Her Superpower by Brittney Cooper One Woman One Vote: Rediscovering the Woman Suffrage Movement ed. Marjorie Spruill Wheeler Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Lisa Ling, a journalist and host.

0:07.2

And I'm Hoon Lee, but you may know me as Chao on the Max original series Wario, based

0:11.7

on the writings of Bruce Lee.

0:13.3

After every new episode, join us here Hoon and I, and a series of special guests are

0:18.6

going to discuss how the show is made.

0:21.0

So, stream Wario Season 3, starting June 29th only on Max, and join us here or wherever

0:26.5

you listen to podcast.

0:31.0

We don't have the buildings that were built by women, or the food that was cooked by women,

0:37.9

or the comedy that was written and performed by women.

0:41.9

We can't imagine what the world would have looked like if this systemic behavior hadn't

0:47.6

been in place.

1:00.7

Hello and welcome to the Ezra Clanchon on the Box Media Podcast Network.

1:03.7

My guest this week is Rebecca Tracer, who is a writer at New York Magazine, the author

1:08.2

of a number of great books and a forthcoming book, as she mentions, on female rage and

1:12.6

American politics.

1:14.1

I've been wanting to talk to Rebecca for quite a while at this point.

1:18.0

I'd want to talk to her after the campaign because I think she has done a better job covering

1:22.5

gender and politics than just about anyone out there.

1:25.2

But then as the sexual harassment story has exploded through American life, I think

1:30.2

her writing and her insight on this has been really, really essential.

1:34.7

We cover a lot of ground in this podcast, and it's definitely made me think about a lot

1:40.0

of this differently.

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