Hello, I'm David Kern.

I'm Heidi White.

And I'm Tim McIntosh.

And you are listening to Close Reads, a podcast for the Incurable Reader.

And we are here to discuss Daphne de Morier's novel, Rebecca.

We're here to discuss chapters 8 through 14 of this very Gothic novel.

Is this the gothiest, gothic-eist of gothic novels? Or is it like

mid-second tier gothic-eatist? Can I just say gothic-y-quest? Because gothicist is easier to say than

gothic-eatist. Gothi-ist sounds like a disease you get in a desert. One that you don't want.

Or the wind-swept moor.

I was going to say, you've got to be on the moors for to catch the gothic-ke-st.

Let's just use gothiest, gothiest.

Gauthiest.

Heidi, is this the gothiest book of the gothic books that you've read?

What tier of gothic books? I think it's in the top tier, but it's not the gothiest.

What's the gothiest? I think it's Wuthering Heights.

Oh. Well, it's called Weathering Heights. So it's about Wuthering on Heights.

And I'm like crazy about Wuthering Heights. And I know that's like a weirdo thing. There's always, I always controversy about this particular novel. Most people I know like hate that novel. I love Wuthering Heights. So I mean, if there's like a continuum of Gothic, you may push me right over the edge, and I will fall into the abyss being like, I loved that book.

You'll be at the highest peak of the old mansion.

I'm all about it.

The most melodramatic, twisted love that takes place in the darkest part of the night and the weirdest old medieval

castle. I'm totally for it. Okay. So this is like maybe top level, but like somewhere below

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