You're listening to Family Talk, the radio broadcasting division of the James Dobson Family Institute.

I am that James Dobson, and I'm so pleased that you've joined us today.

Well, welcome to Family Talk, the broadcast division of the Dr. James Dobson Family Institute.

I'm Roger Marsh in the co-host seat today, and we have a very special guest on the program.

You may be familiar with him.

His name is John Eldridge.

Now, John is a best-selling author, counselor, and teacher.

He is the president of Wild at Heart Ministries based right here in Colorado Springs.

Wild at Heart is a ministry devoted to helping people discover the heart of God to recover their

own hearts in God's love and to learn to live in God's kingdom. John Eldridge is the author of many

bestselling books, including the aforementioned Wild at Heart, also captivating, Get Your Life Back,

and his newest book, which we'll be discussing today, called Experience Jesus,

really, Finding Refuge, Strength, and Wonder through everyday encounters with God.

John and his wife, Stacey, have three grown sons, and they make their home right here in Colorado.

John Eldridge, welcome back to Family Talk.

Yeah, thank you, Roger.

It's good to be back with you guys. It's been a while, and I love what you do, so thank you for having me.

Well, you know, it's interesting because we're in interesting strategic times right now. I mean,

we see end-time things happening. We see cultural shifts happening to where it seems like if you're a

Christian now or you live

by Christian values, you're kind of in the minority as opposed to the majority, which is new for a

lot of people. But it's interesting because in your newest book, one of the things that you point out

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