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I'm no good. I take in good advice.

And I'm self-careless, so don't tell me twice that lately I've been so stuck in my head that I forget just about

everything my therapist said maybe I'm self-helpless.

Hey everyone, welcome to self-helpless.

I'm Delaney Fisher.

And today I'm chatting with Michelle Mace Curran, who is a former fighter pilot,

combat veteran, and the second woman in history to fly lead solo for the Air Force Thunderbirds.

And we are talking about the insights from her demanding dangerous, yet what she also calls

an incredibly fulfilling career, and how she managed fear and self-doubt

while being in this very unique position and really how it's translated into the rest of her life

and even her new career as an author and speaker. So she's sharing personal stories,

her favorite tools. We talk about her near-death experiences while flying, career and life

transitions. She even describes what it feels like inside of a jet when you go supersonic or when you

experience G-force and G-lock. So yeah, this was just really fascinating. I mean, if you're like me where your idea of adventure is trying a new flavor of tea

and you would never even think to fly a jet, she does not just speak to pilots or people

in the military.

So Mace is talking about things and feelings that we all experience, fear, self-doubt, transitions, decision-making,

chasing after a dream or a feeling we have. So feel free to plug in your own details to

the tips and experiences that she's offering up today. Also, I got to say it was pretty cool

speaking to a real-life top gun., uh, which we even talk about that franchise

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