This is Off Track.

Let's talk about, let's talk about how James lost a dancing competition to a girl, which I guess, a young, young girl.

Which.

A gymnast.

Makes some sense.

Yeah, what's your excuse for losing a travel competition?

I had Connor.

It's a good one.

It's a pretty solid excuse.

Yeah.

So, well, okay.

So let's get into it.

Let's let's dive into the ins and outs, the challenges. I've been approached

by a lot of fans, uh, over the past eight years, um, who have told me that they are a fan of

IndyCar because they found out about it for the first time on The Amazing Race,

which kind of, there was a period of time in IndyCar, in the IndyCar marketing department

where there was a woman named Susan Bradshaw, whose job was to use her connections in New York and Los Angeles to bring drivers

outside of the motorsport world onto different TV shows, Dancing with the Stars is one of them,

Family Feuders, one of them, American Ninja Warrior, Amazing Race, et cetera, et cetera,

to introduce our sport to a different fan base.

And I would say for that period of time that she worked at IndyCar, it was wildly successful.

So what I want to talk about today is why finishing fourth on the Amazing race was such a greater accomplishment so much less

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