Hello, I'm Kevin Fallon, and this is Obsess the podcast, where I guide you through all the TV shows, movies, and entertainment news that we think is unmissable.

And today is a very important day for me. I'm almost emotional about it because I finally get to talk to you guys about my

favorite thing in the world, reality TV. We're going to have a special guest earner show Gibson

Johns, who is, in my opinion, the reality TV expert of all experts. He's the host of the podcast

Gabbing with Gibb. We've spent late nights in Las Vegas at BravoCon

together. We've known each other for years. And he's going to chat with me about what is

the best show on television right now, The Traders. We're going to talk about Taylor Swift,

about Donna Kelsey, and we're going to talk about the person who, and I don't say this lightly, is the worst person I have ever seen on television in my lifetime.

And later, I talked to The Icon, one of my favorite brother liberties of all time, Whitney Rose from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

We chatted right after finale aired, and you're going to hear all about what the hell happened on that airplane

with Meredith Marks, why in the world Andy Cohen stormed off that set, and even how she feels

about Jen Shaw just being released from prison. And now we're going to talk to Gibson Johns about the unmascible TV show of the week,

the thing we're all buzzing about, the only thing we care about, the traitors.

Gibson, hello. Thank you so much for chatting with us about the traitors.

Of course, any excuse to talk about

the best reality show on TV right now. I know. It's all I think about. It's every conversation

that I start. It's all about the traders right now. It's all about the murder or however you can

say that with the Alencoming accent. I do not have a good Scottish accent. It would just come out British, unfortunately.

Yeah.

I mean, I love the show because it's what I imagine straight people feel when there is a new Avengers movie, because it's this, like, insane mashup of every reality star that I've ever loved, all sort of just like running amok together in the Scottish

Highlands and playing this insane game of murder it's it's it's such a treat that I feel

like was designed especially for me but it turns out also for you and and a lot of people

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