Hello everyone, and welcome to Speaking with Joy, a podcast to fill your soul, challenge your mind,

and make you brave. I'm your host, Joy Clarkson, and an evangelist for all things good, true,

and beautiful. So make yourself a cup of tea, find somewhere

comfortable, and let's dive in to this week's episode.

Why should you wish to fight someone who is here only to save you pain and trouble?

For you as well as for the rest of all the happy, useful people on this planet, I and my own

strength am willing to assume all the pain, all the responsibility, all the burdens of thought and decision.

Hello everybody and welcome back to Reading with Joy, my summer book club where we are exploring

the wonderful Rinkle in Time by Madeline Lingle, one of my favorite books from childhood,

which is only kind of matured and deepened as I've enjoyed it as an adult. It's been so fun to explore this,

both with friends each week on the podcast. And as you all know, each week I have had a guest

to discuss a chapter with me. And this week, we are exploring Chapter 7, an ominous chapter.

And I have as my special guest, a new friend who has a shared

love of Madelinell's wonderful corpus and in fact has written a book about Malolingal. Welcome on the show,

Sarah Arthur. Hello. Thanks for having me. It's so fun to have you. I had somebody reach out and

said they just loved your book and they said,

you should see if she would want to chat with you about Madeline.

So we'll chat about your book as well.

But before that, give us a quick intro into who you are, where you are, what you do.

Yeah.

Well, I am an author based in Lansing, Michigan.

And I have two boys that are going into second and fourth grade, depending on what happens this fall, the school.

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