Hello everyone, and welcome to Speaking with Joy, a podcast to fill your soul, challenge your mind, and make you brave.

I'm your host, Joy Clarkson, and an evangelist for all things good, true, and beautiful.

So make yourself a cup of tea, find somewhere comfortable, and let's dive in to this week's episode. It is so difficult to explain things to you,

small one. What can I tell you that will mean anything to you? Good helps us. The stars help us.

Perhaps what you would call light helps us.

Love helps us.

Oh, my child, I cannot explain.

This is just something you have to know or not know.

Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Reading with Joy.

My Summer Book Club, where We are exploring the surprisingly profound, but perhaps not so surprisingly profound, children's book, a wrinkle in time.

I cannot believe we are almost to the end of this book, but I have been so enjoying reading through it again, and especially in this crazy time,

it's been kind of a comfort and a solace, and then getting to talk with people about it,

and then getting to hear all of your thoughts. And today I have one of my favorite people

in the whole world to talk with me about Rinkled Time, my friend Elena Triva.

Hi, Joy.

It's so lovely to have you on here.

Now, Elena, how could we even begin to introduce how we know each other?

I feel like we've recorded multiple podcast episodes just trying to explain that very thing.

And we always end up talking a lot about mailboxes and TV shows.

But I guess the easiest way to say would be that we were, we didn't start as college roommates, but we were college roommates.

I think we were functionally college roommates, given how many times I just ended up in

your room and seemed to live there most of the time.

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