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This is not a normal episode.

If you're listening to this, it dropped onto your phone.

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It dropped onto your phone or your computer or whatever you listen to the podcasts on a Wednesday.

And if you're a regular listener to the show, you know that that means this is a special topic, a short topic.

We're not going a full length here. And we have with us, Donovan Riley, who was just

on a recent show, on a recent full-length show. And Dr. Keith got an idea. He's had a lot of people

asking questions about the particular episode where Dr. Nestigan came on and talked about the

bondage of the will. And on that episode, he talked about reading the bondage of the will

backwards. And a lot of people are kind of confused by what that means or how you would do that.

And so Donovan, being a student of Dr. Neskin, who's done this and kind of has experience with this,

can maybe clarify this. And who did his dissertation himself on the bondage of the will?

Theology cross bondage of the will, yeah. So I'm figuring that he knows.

So here's a deal, Donovan, and we'll call this, I think, probably reading the bondage

the will because people need some help on this.

It's not an easy text to die.

Not in the least.

Right.

I try to read it at least once a year, and still, you know, I come out of it all the time. I probably get sucked into reading my highlights,

but other than that, I try to come out of it all the time, you know, with an interesting

and or fresh perspective on it. Here's the thing. Jim comes on. He says, I asked him to do a show

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