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Return into the show.

See, Jangle.

How are you doing, CJ?

Doing good.

Thanks, Pete.

Thank you for coming and agreeing to do a reading with me.

Now, this is a longer chapter.

I don't know that we're going to get through the whole chapter,

but I think this is a really important chapter in Paul Gottfried's book after liberalism.

So we were just before we started recording, talk about Paul Godfrey, you actually just finished doing a live stream with him.

Talk a little bit about this book and why you were eager to read from it.

Well, anything Paul's written, I take very seriously. Paul's a very academic writer.

You know, like a lot of his commentary and stuff, it's very, you know, popular. But he's a very

dense academic writer. And the thing paul is he has a very wide

grasp on all the various contributions and he has the ability to kind of sift through all the

commentary over the centuries and recognize which sources have been the most transformative we know

which ones you have to talk about you can't talk about liberalism in the 20th century without talking about, you know,

John Dewey or John Gray or people like that.

So a lot of these more academic aspect of things, he captures very well.

Even like a lot of us on the dissident, right, you know, we'll read people, but we don't actually,

he's much more involved in the trajectory of the academy, you know, over the, over the years, over the century. So I think Paul is really good, um, if you need to get a sense of where, um, the, like the, the, um, the basics of officialdom came from. So in terms of this book after liberalism, you know, he, discusses this in chapter one. It's impossible to define. We don't know what liberalism is. It's been used in so many different contexts and so many different frameworks that it's hard really to pin it down. And you can't pin it down. You have to define it every time you're going to address it. That's important to remember and keep in mind when talking about people like James Lindsay, you know, other pro classical liberals out there. We need to keep in mind that

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