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Hello, Quillet podcast listeners.

Happy New Year.

I'm Iona Italia, co-host of the Quillette podcast and the managing

editor at Quillette. What follows here is an interview I conducted with Richard Dawkins in June

2021 for 2 for T, the podcast associated with Ario magazine. Dawkins's insights as always are evergreen. I hope you enjoy my

interview with Richard Dawkins. My guest today is Richard Dawkins. And of all the people whom I've

had the privilege to interview on this podcast, today's guest

is the person who I have admired the most and for the longest time. My own background is

in the arts. I have no formal background in science at all. And I didn't really discover how enjoyable, how enlightening it could be to read

books about science until 1991 when I was in my early 20s when I read Richard's book,

The Selfish Gene, and it blew my mind. And after that, I read all of his other books that had

been published at that time. And that began a habit that I've kept since, an enthusiasm I've kept

since, which is reading science books and reading about science. It was his books that led me to the discovery of how

wonderful that could be. Thank you so much, Richard, for joining me today.

That's very nice to hear. Thank you very much.

I'm going to begin by reading a passage because I would like anyone who isn't already familiar

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