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Head to vanta.com slash Spotify to American prestige. I'm Danny Bessner, here as always with my friend and comrade Derek Davidson.

And we're very extremely excited to welcome back to the podcast today. Eleanor Yaniga. Eleanor, you probably already know her, but she is a medieval

historian and also author of the once and future sex. Eleanor, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you so much for having me back.

I love to be a repeat champion.

You're officially, I think, along with Patrick Wyman,

you're now officially one of our pre-modern show historians.

Yeah, you're on the pre-modern desk.

It's a very prestigious. A very big moment for you in your career. So I hope you take it and really

appreciate it on this wonderful Christmas Day. So we invited Eleanor. You'll be unsurprised

to learn to talk about Christmas. And so we were thinking, as we were talking off Mike beforehand,

we might just start about talking about what is today,

what is Christmas, how did it get going,

and then we'll go from there.

Yeah, I mean, Christmas, Jesus' birthday in it.

But having said that, you know, that was a decision that was reached.

You know, there isn't a particular interest on the part of Christians of like pinning down the day and saying,

oh, actually it was April 12th or something like that.

They don't particularly care.

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