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We went back through and read Malcolm Gladwell's first two books.

I read the tipping point, Michael blink and we decided to mash them up

together since Gladwell has a new book out called Talking to Strangers that I just

read Michael has not read it yet so we wanted to have a little discussion on Gladwell today and then go through those two books.

I just finished it and there's been a ton of Gladwell press lately because he's in the news with the new book and he obviously has a

good PR agent how many podcasts you think he's been on besides his own I've seen him

on at least five or six I mean that's what you do these days right who was

he was on with him in Oprah.

He was on with Ezra Klein.

He, let's see, a bunch of them.

I know, I listened to a few of them.

You said five or six, I counted three.

Just sorry.

Yeah, I just, I can't remember all of them at this point, but I know I listened to a few of them and saw the other ones in passing, but thanks for fact checking me there.

So he was in a piece of the New York Times talking about the new book and they go into the backlash that he's faced a little bit and the fact that he's kind of gotten torn to shreds and I think a lot of this came from outliers especially. I think after tipping point in blink he reached some sort of

celebrity author status. Escape velocity. Yes if you will and he didn't really get

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