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Australian True Crime

Re-Issue: Why should we care about conspiracy theorists and so-called sovereign citizens?

Australian True Crime

Meshel Laurie

True Crime

4.6979 Ratings

🗓️ 27 August 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Yesterday, (August 26th, 2025), two police officers were shot and killed in the Victorian town of Porepunkah.


The suspected gunman, Dezi Freeman, is still on the run.


Dezi is an alleged "Sovereign Citizen", so today we are re-issuing our episode from 2023 "Ep #305: Why should we care about conspiracy theorists and so-called sovereign citizens?"


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CREDITS:

Host: Meshel Laurie

Guest: SOS and Sandee

Executive Producer/Editor: Matthew Tankard


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Transcript

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0:00.0

These dirt bike ferrels move here and they think it's the Wild West. It is full out war and they are the instigators off. The police find them. He paid thousands of dollars for that chainsaw incident, breaching the noise abatement notice, and senior constable actually said to me that he'd never seen the case so bad out here.

0:31.2

That's the voice of Desi Freeman, complaining on a current affair in 2018 from his property in rural Victoria about neighbours disturbing his peace.

0:35.7

He's now accused of murdering two police members in an ambush at that property earlier

0:40.4

this week.

0:41.6

He's believed to be a member of the sovereign citizen movement.

0:45.9

Several weeks ago, we published an episode called Has Australia Become a Conspiracy Nation,

0:50.8

in which authors Ariel Bogle and Cam Wilson discussed their research into the

0:56.2

sovereign citizen movement, among other things.

0:58.9

We talked then about the 2022 ambush murders of two Queensland police members at a remote

1:04.8

property in William Billa by brothers Gareth and Nathaniel Train and Gareth's wife, Stacey

1:10.2

Train.

1:15.1

I asked our guests if they thought something like that could happen again in Australia,

1:18.3

and they agreed it could. And now it has.

1:23.2

We first covered this movement on Australian True Crime back in 2023,

1:29.3

with two women who'd made it their mission to investigate and understand what this movement was about and how much of a threat it poses.

1:32.0

For their own safety, they go by their names Soss and Sandy.

1:35.9

We thought it was a good idea to reissue that episode.

1:39.8

This is Australian True Crime.

1:41.7

We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which this podcast is created,

1:46.8

the Waurundri Woi Warang people of the Kulin Nation.

1:50.4

And a warning, this episode of the podcast contains graphic descriptions of violence.

2:00.3

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