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Before I realized it wasn't healthy, I was motivated by guilt. I thought guilt was like the normal

thing you just fill in your gut all the time.

And now I realize I don't like that feeling. So I'll let it set for a second and be like, what is? Oh, this is guilt. And then I work out of it. I don't let it stick around. I used to let it stick around. In fact, I feel like that's the only thing I knew how to feel was like guilt. and I'm always letting someone down, or I'm letting myself down,

and now I just don't like that feeling.

I'm always letting someone down or I'm letting myself down and now I just don't like that feeling. I'm Carly Zakin and I'm Danielle Weisberg.

Welcome to 9 to 5-ish with the skin. We've run into so many questions over the years and had so many

moments where we needed advice and we got it from women who'd been there.

And that's what we're bringing you with this show.

Each week, we're helping you get what you want out of your career by talking to the smartest

leaders we know.

Because we know your work life is a lot more than 9 to 5.

All right, let's get into it.

Today, our guest is Joanna Gaines. I have been waiting a very long time to say that. I am so excited. She is an author, designer,

chef and businesswoman. You know her from, I mean, a lot of things. Her hit HG TV show, Fixer Upper,

and for the lifestyle brand she started with her husband, Magnolia. The brand has home furnishings,

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