RE-AIR: Conversations: So Are They Cousins Or Not?! The Love of Achilles & Patroclus w/ Charlotte Gregory

Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold

Liv Albert

History, Comedy, Arts

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🗓️ 17 June 2025

⏱️ 101 minutes

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It's always a good time to revisit Achilles and Patroclus... This episode originally aired in June 2023. Liv speaks with PhD student Charlotte Gregory about all things Achilles and Patroclus, their relationship, and how modern Classical reception depicts their love, cousin or otherwise. Follow Charlotte on Twitter. Submit your question for the next Q&A via email or a voice note. Get ad-free episodes and so, so much more, by subscribing to the Oracle Edition at patreon.com/mythsbaby

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

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1:15.2	The Med. Oh, hi, hello there. Happy Pride Month. This is Let's Talk About Myths, Baby. And I'm your host, Live, here in June, as always, with as much LGBTQIA content as I can find. You all know this by now, but one of my favorite things to do is share these stories from the ancient world that affirm that a broad spectrum of gender and sexuality existed in the ancient world.
2:06.4	Just as broad a spectrum as exists now.
2:09.4	It's almost like it's just human nature not to fit into binaries.
2:15.4	Weird, I know.
2:16.9	I also know that sometimes people criticize that I only do
2:19.8	this during June, Pride Month, and I just want to say, again, that I totally understand this
2:24.4	criticism. It is valid in theory, but I'm not doing it just to appease or like be another rainbow
2:30.0	username only for the month of June. It's just simply that there are a finite number of these
2:34.6	stories because it's Greek myth. And it's nice to just put them all together in a big
2:39.7	celebratory month. It's just, it's fun, honestly, for all of us. So I do it this way. But if and when I
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