The

The Oh, hello there and welcome to the last official conversation episode of this epic and

mind-blowing Spartan series. This is Let's Talk About Myths, Baby, and I'm your host, Liv, who just

absolutely loves getting this deep into history even if it is

so far beyond what i'm used to and definitely takes a whole lot of different brain space

today's episode is with stephen hodkinson who is one of the top names in studying ancient

sparta the ancient sp Spartan historian, basically.

Actually, Stephen approached me about being on the series, and then I googled him and realized what a fun and flattering get that he actually was.

Like half the articles I was going to use were written by him anyway.

This conversation spans so much information about Sparta from its ancient facts and truths to its use throughout the political history of Europe and North America for the last few hundred years, to its misuse and

horrifying misappropriation by the Nazis and now the far right in North America and beyond.

Oh my gosh.

And we talk a lot about the use of Sparta by the far right, specifically in the United States and partially in Canada.

Frankly, I knew it was being used by the far right and like white supremacists in North America and in Europe.

But the extent is so far beyond.

We do focus on North America, though, because that is where Stevens focus is.

But it just goes so far deeper.

God.

So much centers on that ridiculous phrase to Molan Labé, which I've told you about already.

Come and take them.

A phrase not shouted, not said with purpose by a man standing face to face with an enemy,

but a phrase written politely in a letter if it was ever even said at all,

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