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Recovery Elevator

RE 549: The Problem, and the Solution

Recovery Elevator

Paul

Self-improvement, Education, Mental Health, Health & Fitness

4.71.8K Ratings

🗓️ 25 August 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Today we have Justin. He is 40 years old and lives in Northern Ontario. He took his last drink on August 20th, 2023.

 

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[04:03] Thoughts from Paul:

 

In our question for sobriety, we often ask ourselves why the drinking? Why can't I stop? What's the problem here? 

 

Paul shares his experience with the 12 Steps of AA, more specifically, step 4 where you list all of your resentments. He filled an entire notebook for his fourth step and after reading this out loud to his sponsor, it became clear to him that he was at least 50% of every problem that he encountered or had been part of. The fourth step showed him the patterns, and the data was clear – he was the problem. The same is true for all of us.

 

It turns out, in a non-shaming way, you are the problem, and you are not the solution. This should be empowering because if you are the problem, you're the only thing you can control. The solution is not a one and done thing. The big one here is to burn the ships and to start building community.

 

We used alcohol to numb the pains of living in a super challenging world, and the solution is that we have to find a better way to respond to the world and we have to come together to make this happen.

 

[08:39] Paul introduces Justin:

 

Justin is from Northern Ontario, has been married for 14 years and they have two dogs and cat. Formerly an electrician, Justin is now a part-time day trader. He enjoys hiking, yoga and meditation. Justin and his wife Danielle quit drinking together just over two years ago.

 

Justin had his first drink at age 15 with some friends. He didn't see the point in drinking at first but was happy to have friends to drink with. Over time he not only enjoyed spending time with friends he also began to enjoy the drinking too.

 

At 18, Justin had a job with a sound and lighting company, and they would do a lot of concerts. He reflects that the amount of booze that was around and available to him for free was insane. Within the next two years he developed a habit of drinking 10 to 20 beers a day. In addition to the drinking, Justin had developed an addiction to harder drugs.

 

When Justin was around age 23, he quit the job and doing hard drugs but used alcohol to help him. This contributed to his intake increasing and he was still drinking daily. Because he wasn't doing hard drugs anymore, he thought it was ok, and he was living clean. After Justin's third DUI charge in 2015, he begins to realize that he might have a problem. He quit for five days and decided he didn't have a problem, so he went back to drinking.

 

Living in a small town where many people drank more than them, Justin and Danielle had the illusion that they "weren't that bad". They enjoyed drinking together most of the time, but when they began fighting more often, they acknowledged that there might be an issue. They began trying moderation techniques, but eventually knew they just needed to stop altogether.

 

They drank one last time after losing their horse and Justin says he had the worst hangover the next day. They both had already been listening to the RE podcast and had joined Café RE. Justin is grateful to being doing this with his partner and they find strength in one another.

 

Justin was just diagnosed with a brain tumor, so they are planning a big move back to Southern Ontario to be closer to family. Being sober for these life changes is a gift, Justin says. When asked what his mantra has been for the last few months Justin says "go with the flow, keep on truckin', be like water. You can't fight life. Life is just going to push you as it pushes you and generally, you'll get what you need".

 

Justin's parting piece of guidance: the only way out is through. You gotta go through it to move out of it.

 

 

 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Recovery Elevator episode 549.

0:03.7

The one thing that I was having a problem with, why I drank so much,

0:07.2

is because I couldn't live in the suffering, and I couldn't live in the joy either.

0:12.0

I was going to live in the joy either. Welcome to the Recovery Elevator Podcast.

0:35.2

My name is Paul Churchill, and I'm excited to be here with you today.

0:38.9

Listeners on today's episode, we have Justin. He's 40 years old from northern Ontario,

0:45.3

and he took his last drink of alcohol on August 20th, 2003. Great Job, Justin. If anyone finds

0:53.8

the pause button on life, please send it over my way,

0:57.5

preferably in app format. I heard that line the other day and I wanted to share it with you,

1:03.1

because if you feel that same way, I know I do at times, you're not alone.

1:07.6

Listeners, I have a correction to make in episode 546. I mentioned my sobriety date was

1:13.3

2004, which is not correct as my last drink of alcohol was on September 6th, 2014. My sobriety

1:21.1

date is the following day, September 7th, 2014. Even though we have two sets of ears hearing each episode before it's released,

1:29.7

sometimes we're on autopilot and the wrong things come out. But I did have a couple people

1:34.5

ask me about that in person, and it was totally judgment-free. One person even gave me a hug

1:40.8

saying, hey man, it's all good. And I was like, okay, but what do you mean?

1:46.4

And they said, I heard you mentioned you sobered up again in 2024, meaning that I drank.

1:52.2

And I said, oh, thank you for letting me know. That's not correct. And I actually went back and edited

1:56.4

546 with the correct date. But there's something else I want to mention here about this audience.

2:02.5

Apparently in the comedian world, it's somewhat well known that comedians don't like their

2:07.0

audiences. I don't know why, but I guess that's the thing. Guys, I can easily say, I love this

2:12.4

audience so much. I can feel your support for myself and for the guest who shares their story on this

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