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I first started the show I got really into the UFO topic.

And that's what seems to be happening behind the curtain with that.

Or let's just say advanced technology that maybe our government

has.

They seem to be, that seems to have been handed off to the private companies.

So they don't have to take the fall for anything.

They do, they can close their eyes and plausible deniability.

They don't have to tell, they don't have to tell the public about it legally and all that stuff. So there's, but yeah, like the 80s, though, like what you're saying, I want to dig on that for a second. Like in the 80s, they got, they were, you know, they were learning from their past mistakes. And I don't know. this came to mind, you know, Osama bin Laden, CIA agent in the 80s.

His real name was Tim Osmond.

And I think that once you start looking at some of these events that started happening, like Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City, Waco,

Waco, 9-11,

they seem to be after they got sneaky

with things.

And I would say that, in my opinion,

a lot of those events mentioned there

are sci-ops perpetrated

by people with connections to interagencies.

Yeah, they can't come right out and do this stuff.

They have to find a back door, a back channel, two or three middlemen to hide.

It's like having a shell corporation, right?

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