Ray Kolke: Rumination by the Numbers (RBTN) as a tool for dealing with rumination (#524)
The OCD Stories
Stuart
4.8 • 933 Ratings
🗓️ 8 February 2026
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
In episode 524 I chat with Ray Kolke. Ray is a licensed mental health counsellor (LMHC) who works with people affected by OCD and anxiety.
We discuss his therapist background, why he doesn't ask his clients how they are feeling at the start of the session, he discusses not focusing on feelings in more detail, rumination, his tool of rumination by the numbers (RBTN), he breaks down this tool, and much more. Hope it helps.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to The OCD Stories podcast, hosted by me, Stuart Ralph. |
| 0:05.5 | The OCD Stories is a podcast dedicated to raising awareness and understanding around obsessive, |
| 0:11.1 | compulsive symptoms. |
| 0:12.8 | I do this for interviewing inspired therapists, psychologists, and people who have experienced OCD. |
| 0:19.0 | Welcome to the OCD Stories. |
| 0:24.9 | And welcome to episode 524 of the podcast. |
| 0:31.0 | And in this one, I got on Ray Colk. Ray is a licensed mental health counselor who works with people affected by OCD and anxiety. I met Ray a couple years ago at the ISDF conference in Orlando. |
| 0:39.1 | It was great to meet him and we got to have lunch with a few others as well. |
| 0:44.1 | So really funny guy. |
| 0:46.4 | You might find he inserts his name in a lot of words throughout this. |
| 0:50.5 | He has really cool energy. |
| 0:51.8 | So I hope you find this episode enjoyable. |
| 0:54.1 | And in particular, we talk |
| 0:56.1 | about his background as a therapist, why he doesn't ask his clients how they are feeling at |
| 1:01.8 | the start of session. He discusses in more detail, not focusing on feelings. Then we go into |
| 1:06.9 | rumination. The rumination practice he's developed, this tool he calls |
| 1:12.9 | rumination by the numbers, he breaks down this tool and much more. And thanks to our podcast |
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