This is Off Track.

Hello and welcome to a Tuesday episode of Off Track with Hinch and Rossi.

Just Tim and I today, James is doing his thing.

But the guests we have is someone that we've been, it's been at the top of our list for a couple months now.

And the timing just now worked out to get them on here.

So before I

introduce who our guest is I'll give the opportunity for for some people in our

audience to guess won three championships as a some guy named Jeff Gordon's crew chief

so feel like enough people have heard of him in Cup, um, helped Dodge get back

into the series in the early 2000s. But, um, most importantly, as this is an IndyCar podcast, is one of the

the three members of the new for 2026 IndyCar independent officiating board. ray evernham thank you so much for joining us i want to

start off firstly with what is the indycar independent officiating board it's just a a group you know

indica indicaan the independent officiating board, you know, we are,

Raj Neer, who in Ronan Morgan, myself, two guys, I have a tremendous amount of respect for in the

industry. We're asked to come on a board to help oversee and separate the officiating from the Penske

Entertainment Group. And it was really about the optics of people, you know, being so closely

connected to the Penske organization. And, you know, in reality that there's really nothing broken there, but, you know, with closeness and connection, there's always a question.

And we're there to take the question out of that.

And I can tell you that it's been an incredible incredible experience as we're going through it to create

independent officiating incorporated the people that we've worked with the things that we've seen from IndyCar racing the drivers the owners like that. It's been, it's been an incredible experience how well things really are run there and how much potential there is for that,

that series. So that's kind of a long answer, but it's been a great educational experience for me as well.

So walk us through for the listeners that don't know, you obviously have a, the group of U3.

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