The church in the United States is perhaps more messy and broken than I've seen in my lifetime,

or at least recent history.

But my response to that is like, we need repair.

I'm trying to figure out how to be part of that.

But it can't just be abstracted.

It can't just be like me on the internet or on the New York Times saying like the way the church needs to change or what's wrong with the church.

I think that we have to build things and make things that are like better and more true and more beautiful.

Hey friends, welcome back to another episode of Theology in Iran. My guest today is Tish Harrison Warren, who is a writer and an Anglican priest. She is a wonderful author who's written several books, including her latest book, What Grows in Weary Lands on Christian Resilience, which releases on May 2nd. This is a free-flowing conversation, as only Tish could do.

I just loved getting to know Tish, seeing what she's been up to for the last few years

and hearing her story about how she was led to write a book on Christian resilience.

We even dive into a bit of politics and Trumpism. And why I don't like it when people throw around the stat that 80% of white evangelicals voted for Trump, you'll see, I guess, I don't know, I don't know if you'll agree, but you'll still, yeah, we kind of wrestle with that for a little bit at the end of the episode. Hope you enjoy it. I also want to thank all of you who are supporting the show. Really grateful to my Patreon community. It is such a

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Okay, please welcome back to the show, the one and only, Tish Harrison Warren.

Tish, you are alive.

I, so I'm so excited to have you on for various reasons. One, because I have major respect for you as a, as a writer, as a thinker, as a public figure. And you're an exquisite writer, which anybody's read

your stuff would not disagree with. And it seemed like you were doing, you were kind of like,

I feel like you were kind of everywhere for a while on social media and books and, you know,

your books got awards and everything. In the last few years,

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